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Aired at 03:00 AM on Saturday, Feb 23, 2013 (2/23/2013)      View all transcripts from this day


00:00:00Seeking the truth on the massive budget cuts set to take place in less than a week.
00:00:06>>> What does a butcher shop have to do with impending budget cuss?
00:00:12>>> Brace yourself, again.
00:00:14Parts of the northeast will get hit by a snowstorm.
00:00:21>>> Oscar predictions.
00:00:23Who will get the biggest awards?
00:00:25One expert will tell you.
00:00:27>>> Let's get to what's happening out there.
00:00:29President obama taking aim at congressional republicans with six days until the painful, across the board budget cuts if no deal can be made.
00:00:42>> Are republicans letting cuts to fall on our kids' schools and mental health care to protect corporate loopholes.
00:00:50Are they willing to slash military health care and border patrol because they refuse to eliminate tax breaks for big oil companies.
00:00:59Are they seriously prepared to inflict more pain on the middle class because they refuse to ask anything more of those at the very top?
00:01:06>> Republicans are putting the blame squarely on president obama.
00:01:12This week's republican address.
00:01:15>> Republicans in congress right now will provide the flexibility to make the necessary spending reductions and address our deficit and debt instead of going through the sequester.
00:01:26In fact, house republicans have already passed two bills to replace the president's sequester.
00:01:32So the question is, why won't he work with us?
00:01:36The answer quite simply is because he wants higher taxes.
00:01:40>> Joining me now, white house correspondent for the hill, amie parnes and ed o'keefe.
00:01:50>> Good morning.
00:01:51>> We are so close to the sequester.
00:01:55Give us your assessment.
00:01:56Is this a foregone conclusion?
00:01:59>> The chances of a deal are pretty small.
00:02:01The stakes aren't so high in this particular showdown.
00:02:04We're talking about a lot of jobs and a lot of money obviously, but I think that, you know, these are reversible, they can -- congress and the white house can ooengtally come together in the coming weeks and work together on this as they are trying to strike a deal on the deficit.
00:02:19I would say look for that to happen more than something to happen this week.
00:02:23>> Ed, we look at today's "washington post" george will sequesters the is he quester is manufactured.
00:02:30Sensible americans tuckered out with the populist fatigue are yawning through the catastrophe du jour, the sequester.
00:02:43How much of it is manufactured?
00:02:45And even if it is, won't regular americans feel it?
00:02:49>> The white house is doing their best to remind americans how they might feel it.
00:02:55We saw that happen last week, the real-world effects that could occur, things like fewer air traffic controllers, the national parks have to shut down visitor centers and other agency having to furlough workers and reaches across basic government services.
00:03:16We'll have to wait and see come tuesday, wednesday, thursday, get a sense of the country is that concerned or if they are sitting this here and saying, gosh, seeing this song and dance before.
00:03:28Government shutdown in april 2011, the debt ceiling showdown that summer, the fiscal cliff on new year's eve, and this -- i think -- and there will be another fight over government spending by the end of march.
00:03:42We have been seeing this for two years and maybe george will is right.
00:03:48Most people saying, gosh, they are sorting it out and we'll ride it out.
00:03:51>> People need to understand that it is going to hit them in a really palpable way, I am looking at other departments.
00:04:00A nationwide shutdown of meat and poultry plants.
00:04:05Furloughs, inspection personnel.
00:04:07Will be pay higher prices?
00:04:11Less beef and chicken?
00:04:13Will it be safe?
00:04:14Part of that is what the sequester is.
00:04:16You look at the latest pew poll, the public wide until favor of the president's approach on the sequester.
00:04:22On the other side, republicans, some tea partiers feel beholden to local constituents to not raise taxes another dime.
00:04:32Does neither party have the incentive to resolve this quite quickly?
00:04:37>> That's a tough one, alex.
00:04:39The president and white house are counting on fact that they do have public support behind them.
00:04:46They say they don't look at polls, but they clearly do.
00:04:49They feel good about public support and counting on that.
00:04:51Part of the messaging tact and president obama, you will see him taking his message across the country in the coming days to sort of explain to the american people what is at stake here.
00:05:01>> But if a deal is finally reached, ed, where does the compromise lie?
00:05:07Both sides seem to have dug in their heels.
00:05:09Is it the president who gives in on tax increases by cutting loopholes?
00:05:15Will they agree to cut some of the loopholes?
00:05:18>> There are proposals on the table, very unclear.
00:05:22In principle, washington doesn't mind strog find a way to cut spending to help pay off the debt, but there are those who want to raise taxes and closest personally now those loopholes and republicans have put forth plans, and I think we're looking at sadly is potentially another extension -- another -- you use the phrase, kicking the can down the road to give folks more time to think this out.
00:05:53It is incredible that we're still sitting here watching this play out.
00:05:57But there is no sense -- you know, at this hour.
00:06:02Come monday, tuesday, when lawmakers come back to town, they will meet with each other, sort something out.
00:06:08But nobody is moving and it's unclear where people will be willing to give.
00:06:12>> The president is criticized for not reaching out on capitol hill, particularly for republicans.
00:06:18He made two calls to house speaker john boehner.
00:06:22Who did that yield?
00:06:23>> That's a little bit of posturing.
00:06:25They want to show that they are kind of talking to republicans, being criticized constantly for not talking to republicans, the message is to take it directly to the people.
00:06:36They don't want to sit down and negotiate with congress, even though they say they do.
00:06:39They want to take people and explain in the last budget fights, felt that was a victory for them and successful, and you will see that again this time, alex.
00:06:49>> Ed, give me a prediction, how will it go down over the next six days?
00:06:54>> What we're looking at more likely is that they won't necessarily sort this out by the end of this coming week, but instead will wait and ramp it into having to do another short-term extension of the current spending levels and continuing resolution which expires at the end of march.
00:07:12Some people are going to say, look, furloughs that may or may not come would not start for 30 days.
00:07:19MARCH 27th, END OF THE C.R., Only 27 days.
00:07:23Get something done by then, potentially furloughs wouldn't ever actually begin and they would extend everything and avoid this.
00:07:29But I think there actually is some -- even some can see this actually start and get a sense of where there is potential effects and if the country starts to feel it.
00:07:44It appears to be drastic and the market reacts drastically, they will come to a reaction sooner.
00:07:51They have the march 27th deadline.
00:07:53What is to say they won't use that to sort this out and extend spending levels through the end of the fiscal year.
00:07:59>> Interesting the next couple of weeks, that's for sure.
00:08:03>> Keeps us busy.
00:08:05Thank you.
00:08:05>> Ahead, democratic congressman john yarmouth on how his district might be affected.
00:08:17>>> A new winter warning for the northeast.
00:08:20The third straight weekend of snow for the region.
00:08:24Deyer with the forecast.
00:08:32>> Another storm system making its way to new england.
00:08:34It doesn't look like it will pack as much of a punch as initially thought.
00:08:38Temperatures in the boston area are running above freezing.
00:08:4136 Degrees in new york some of that rain is actually going to prevent a whole lot of snowfall accumulation.
00:08:47You can see where the rain is.
00:08:49Sitting down across the southeast and several inches of rain are possible in the area.
00:08:54Moisture streaming from the gulf of mexico will eventually turn colder in new england.
00:08:58But it will be mostly interior new england that will see the majority of the snowfall, but, still, only 3 to 6 inches possible.
00:09:06Heavy rain falling across atlanta.
00:09:08Thunderstorms moving to alabama and northern florida, and we are seeing heavy rain into the carolinas and virginia as well.
00:09:14Here is an estimate of snowfall over the next 2 4 8 hours, over the course of today, especially tonight and on sunday, but still only about 3 to 6 inches and elsewhere across coastal massachusetts, about one to three inches of snow.
00:09:29Dry in kansas city today, high of 32 degrees.
00:09:32Another big storm is making its way into the pacific northwest that will start to spread eastward and by early next week, there is the chance the midwest could pick up 6 to 12 inches of snow on top of the big storm they had last week.
00:09:49>> They sure don't need that.
00:09:52>>> The company says only a small number of microsoft computers were infected with malware and no customer data has been affected.
00:10:03These hacks are similar to the ones reported by facebook and apple.
00:10:07>> Less than a week until pope benedict 16 steps down.
00:10:14Those who will choose the next pope are coming under scrutiny.
00:10:18We have the unfolding drama from anne thompson in rome.
00:10:22>> Reporter: Good morning, alex.
00:10:24Pope benedict is back at work and appointed new bishops for mexico and at tican, they are readying for huge crowds for final public events.
00:10:39In the meantime, many unanswered questions about the historic transition, such as who will lead the church?
00:10:46A week before pope benedict retires and there is still no clear front-runner to can you seed him.
00:10:52However, there is a long shot.
00:10:54New york's greg farruous cardinal timothy dolan.
00:10:58>> I will get anything to get you guys to church.
00:11:04>> Reporter: Praise in catholic circles to his perpersona and fightback on the obama plan for contraception.
00:11:31>> He's a known quantity and man of integrity.
00:11:33Known as someone who can communicate the catholic faith positively.
00:11:38>> Reporter: Here in rome, another cardinal, roger mahoney, retired archbishop of los angeles is under fire for his role for moving and shielding priests.
00:11:50Mahoney faces his own deposition after which he will come to the vatican to come for the new pope.
00:11:56This week an italian cardinal told a local newspaper that mahoney should stay home.
00:12:02Some american catholics should agree.
00:12:06>> Reporter: All cardinals should be held to the highest standard.
00:12:10Anyone whose hands are tainted should refrain from voting.
00:12:14>> Reporter: Cardinals from other countries are also mired in scandal.
00:12:19All cardinals under the age of 80 must vote unless they are seriously ill or prevented from traveling.
00:12:28One fun fact.
00:12:31On february 28, when pope benedict officially retires.
00:12:36They will take away his ring, the symbol of his authority and destroy it.
00:12:40He will also lose his twitter.
00:12:43I'm anne thompson in rome, back to you.
00:12:47>>> Are americans suffering apocalypse fatigue?
00:12:51And the oscar pistorius odyssey.
00:12:53How did he get out of jail?
00:12:56What's next for the olympic hero turned murder suspect.
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00:16:16Part of what keeps us from gaining more momentum is that the sense of uncertainty that hangs like this overcast sky over our whole economy.
00:16:27>> Colorado governor john hickenlooper, one of the governors who met with the president on friday about the potential impact that the sequester would have on state economies.
00:16:49Let's go to kristen welker.
00:16:51What are they doing to keep the sequester from taking affect?
00:16:55>> President obama will have conversations with congress this weekend and into next week.
00:17:00So far, talks have yielded no results.
00:17:02Both sides are dug in, and it seems increasingly likely that the sequester will go into effect.
00:17:08In his weekly address today, president obama said it's up to congress to act.
00:17:15>> I never think anything is inevitable, we have the opportunity to make the right decisions.
00:17:22My hope is we can see a different course taken by congress.
00:17:26This should be a no-brainer.
00:17:30>> In an effort to pressure congress, the obama administration has also been painting a fairly dire picture of what will happen if the sequester kicks in and on friday outgoing transportation SECRETARY ray LaHood says it will have a big impact on the air travel industry.
00:17:49As many as 47,000 employees could be furloughed and that could ultimately wind up showing air traffic control and air travel.
00:17:56Take a listen.
00:17:57>> Travelers should expect delays.
00:18:00Flights to major cities like new york, chicago, and san francisco and others could experience delays of up to 90 minutes during peak hours.
00:18:13Becausfewer controllers on strap.
00:18:19>> Reporter: The administration has also warned 800,000 civilian defense department workers would be furloughed.
00:18:2610,000 Teachers and educators could be laid off and some border patrol agents would see a decrease in hours.
00:18:33Late friday, alex, representative from house speaker john boehner's office sent me a statement saying "the president has been far more interested in holding campaign style rallies than urging his party in the senate to find a solution.
00:18:47I can tell you, alex, the sticking points are familiar ones, president obama wants to see new tax revenue.
00:18:55Ry public I had cans think this should be worked out through entitlement reform and spending cuts.
00:19:00Really no resolution in sight.
00:19:02I have been talking to folks on both sides of pennsylvania avenue and they are increasingly pessimistic that there will be a resolution within six days remaining.
00:19:12>> Kristen, I'm looking at a rundown of department by department on how ts will affect staffing.
00:19:23It's extraordinary.
00:19:23I think people will be quite surprised.
00:19:27We'll see what everyone feels like friday if they are not able to put this deal together.
00:19:32>> Thanks, alex.
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00:23:08>>> Let's go to our thinking big money headlines.
00:23:14Consumer expert regina lewis let's talk abo payroll taxes.
00:23:24>> There was a two-year tax holiday.
00:23:29It sounds like a small number until you start to play that out.
00:23:32If you make $30,000 a year.
00:23:35That is 50 buck as a month.
00:23:37That might mean you go out to eat one less time.
00:23:41100,000 A year, that's 167,000 per month.
00:23:45Over the course of a couple of months, you may forgo that piece of person toure.
00:23:51Walmart is saying it's having an effect on consumer spending.
00:23:55>> All of us, even just myself, cutting back.
00:23:58You feeling it in your paychecks.
00:24:00What about the gas pumps?
00:24:06No happy camp pers.
00:24:07>> This is a double whammy.
00:24:09Gas prices up 45 cents on average since january.
00:24:13That is a lot.
00:24:14And it may get worse from here.
00:24:17The real crunch point where everyone notices $4.
00:24:21Not since july 2008 have we seen an average of 4.11.
00:24:26But because this rampup is so early, we really could be headed there.
00:24:30There is something called the summer blend of fuel, which is more expensive.
00:24:35Those do with all of the regulations to not contribute to smog, evaporates a little bit less, and that hasn't even rotated into the cycle yet.
00:24:47Probably going up from here.
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00:25:18Big trips.
00:25:19In 2010, they offered a safari, apparently only robert downey jr. booked that.
00:25:25Nobody took them up on it, but it did increase the value of the package.
00:25:29>> Any trips this time?
00:25:30Or is that cut out?
00:25:33>> Always trips, but not as premium as a safari to africa.
00:25:37>> Cool stuff, nonetheless.
00:25:39Regina lewis, thank you very much.
00:25:43>>> Are you spending less because of the payroll tax hike?
00:25:47I already admitted I am.
00:25:49I will read your tweets throughout the day.
00:25:51>>> In today's one-minute obama did a dance coming on the set to talk to jimmy, talked about date night with the president and her famous bangs.
00:26:03>> You don't have much time for tv.
00:26:05How do you have time for personal stuff?
00:26:07How about dates?
00:26:08>> We try to do date nights.
00:26:12It's a little tough.
00:26:13Barack has a 20-car motorcade.
00:26:16Men with guns, the ambulance is always there.
00:26:20How romantic can you be?
00:26:23>> Ambulance pulling up.
00:26:24>> He's like we're going to go out on a romantic dinner.
00:26:31I'm like is the ambulance coming?
00:26:33It's over.
00:26:33>> Biggest story of 2013 has to be your hair style.
00:26:38>> Yeah.
00:26:41>> This is the biggest -- did you know this was going that be that big news?
00:26:46>> I tell you, no.
00:26:49I thought maybe a story, but i didn't think we'd still be talking about it.
00:26:54>> It looks gorgeous.
00:26:55>> Thank you.
00:26:56>> I love your bangs, fits you perfect.
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00:30:03>>> Welcome back to "weekends " your fast five headlines.
00:30:11 troops in nyjer will set up unarmed drones to help france in their fight in mali.
00:30:19>>> And south korea is asking north korea to stop tests, calling it hostility.
00:30:26>>> Moody's is downgrading.
00:30:34And a man freed after dna proved his innocence.
00:30:41And rosa parks' statue has arrived at the capitol.
00:30:48It will be unveiled next week.
00:30:50>>> In south africa, oscar pistorius is a free man, at least for now.
00:30:54We're showing you video of pistorius entering court a couple of hours before he was granted bail in the case of his girlfriend, reeva steenkamp.
00:31:08Let's go to michelle kosinkski.
00:31:11He's out on bail.
00:31:14What comes next for him?
00:31:16>> Reporter: He went to his uncle's house with his family after being released on bail.
00:31:21He can't go back to his own home, the scene of the alleged crime.
00:31:25He has to surrender passports, guns, can't use drugs or alcohol.
00:31:29Has to get permission to leave town and check in with police twice a week starting monday.
00:31:34He may actually start training again on monday, even though his agent had canceled all of his upcoming races, but his coach told us he thinks training is the best thing right now to clear his mind.
00:31:46When asked whether training isn't the last thing on pistorius' mind after losing his girlfriend, the coach didn't comment.
00:31:53Yesterday as that ruling was read, pistorius sobbed, his body shaking.
00:31:57The judge said that he had problems with pistorius' account of the morning that reeva steenkamp was killed.
00:32:08Why did into the danger that he claimed was so terrifying?
00:32:13Why didn't he asked who was in there before firing into the bathroom?
00:32:18Why didn't question searching for his girlfriend not in the bed?
00:32:21He said pistorius isn't a danger and likely won't run from justice.
00:32:27His next court appearance since until june.
00:32:30>> Until june, he must have restrictions, rules he must abide by.
00:32:34What are those?
00:32:37>> He has this time on his hands.
00:32:40There are more specifics, like he can't go toon airport, it has to do with travel and he had to surrender.
00:32:49Traffic is difficult.
00:32:50Getting permission every time he wants to leave his hometown of pretoria here.
00:32:54Other than that, he can go about living his life.
00:32:56His coach, like said, even talking about training immediately, so he won't have any imminent races.
00:33:02I mean, his schedule before this happened had him racing on four continents within the next to you months.
00:33:09That's gone now, sponsors as well suspend their contracts or sponsorship with hip.
00:33:15But he will be able to work out, stay healthy, visit with his family and friends if out to dinner, he'll likely be seen around town if that's what he chooses to do.
00:33:24But we know photographers are already camped out outside this house where he went yesterday, alex.
00:33:30>> Okay.
00:33:31Michelle kosinkski, thank you.
00:33:33Let's go to politics now.
00:33:35More warnings about the long dreaded sequester this one possibly causing a shortage of meats, because the agriculture might be forced to furlough meat inspectors up to 15 days.
00:33:48>> They cut us back 15 days straight which we can't do that, which I highly doubt that will ever happen, but, yeah, it would definitely affect things.
00:33:57>> The feds project a sequester could shut down poultry and meat plants nationwide.
00:34:08>>> A 5% budget cut will shorten visiting hours at national parks and make some areas completely off-limits to visitors.
00:34:15>>> In his new weekly address, the president doubled down on blaming the sequester on republicans in congress.
00:34:23>> These cuts don't have to happen.
00:34:25Congress can turn them off any time with just a little compromise.
00:34:29Unfortunately, it appears that republicans in congress have appeared instead of compromising, instead of asking anything of the wealthiest americans, they would rather let cuts fall squarely on the middle class.
00:34:46>> John yarmuth joins us now.
00:34:50Good to see you.
00:34:51>> Good to see you, alex.
00:34:53>> Six days to go.
00:34:54What do you think?
00:34:56Will we go through the sequester or will a deal be made?
00:35:01>> I don't think a deal will be made.
00:35:03Some kind of delay tactic will probably be made.
00:35:07Ed o'keefe in the hour had it right.
00:35:11Because we run out of money, funding authority anyway.
00:35:14We have to come to some kind of agreement on how to fund the government between the end of the month and the end of the FISCAL YEAR, SEPTEMBER 2 3 0th.
00:35:22So friday is kind of an artificial deadline that really doesn't mean much, but, you know, the president had it wrong a little bit.
00:35:29Getting a bit off message here, I don't think the choices between taxing the rich and the -- and cutting vital services, I think the choice is not doing something that's really stupid and that is to make these across the board cuts.
00:35:44The whole idea behind the sequester was to -- to force people to come to agreement on deficit reduction by providing an alternative that was so dreadful that nobody wanted it.
00:35:56That's what this is.
00:35:56We don't have to go through the dreadful cuts, we can just say no, we're not going to do this.
00:36:02It's wrong for the country.
00:36:03That's what we should do.
00:36:05>> I want to ask you about an article in "the washington " to all of you on capitol hill, as you are facing this deadline, do you really look at that as that being the date.
00:36:15Not really concerned with march 1st?
00:36:18You said it's somewhat an artificial date.
00:36:22Doing your negotiating, trying to figure outcome on mize, are you working on the premise of MARCH 27th?
00:36:27>> I wish I knew, because we have only been in session 12 days this entire year which is absolutely shameful.
00:36:35We haven't had a lot of time to talk to our colleagues.
00:36:39Remember, the original sequester was scheduled to go in effect on JANUARY 1st.
00:36:43As part of that fiscal cliff deal, we delayed it for two months, we could delay it again UNTIL MARCH 27th, BECAUSE AGAIN, As has been mentioned, that's what we have to decide how much we're going to spend for the rest of the year.
00:36:59And there is no point in going through the charade for 26 or 27 days when we have to make the same decision a few weeks later.
00:37:07>> So the genesis of all this, bob woodward has this through piece in "the washington post," he writes then omb director jack liu and ron nabors came up with the sequester.
00:37:25He has the exact time and date they pitched it to harry reid.
00:37:292:30 On july 27, 2011.
00:37:32Is the president guilty of not letting the facts get in the way of a good talking point against the republicans?
00:37:39>> Well, again, I know in that particular instance, trying to resolve a crisis on whether to raise the debt ceiling and default our debt, he suggested that as an alternative.
00:37:50The republican has it in the cut, cap and balance plan months before that and remember in the house anyway.
00:38:00170-Something republicans provided more votes for the sequester idea than democrats did.
00:38:05I voted against it.
00:38:06Knew it was a bad idea.
00:38:08But I think both sides were equally culpable in doing something that was absolutely nonsensical and we should do now is just admit what we did was silly.
00:38:18>> I would like you to listen to your democratic colleague, debbie wasserman schultz on our air yesterday.
00:38:25>> Do republicans consider the sequester leverage.
00:38:30The looming shutdown leverage so they can get the spending cuts they want and protect the tax breaks they have been trying to protect for the wealthiest americans.
00:38:40>> Do the democrats and president not also consider this leverage, the leverage to raise taxes?
00:38:46>> Well, I don't look at it that way.
00:38:49Think debbie is right, some republicans think it's leverage, but republicans don't want dramatic cuts on defense spending.
00:38:57I don't think they want what they have in front of us either, both of us are using it for political leverage to battle the other side.
00:39:07That won't solve the problem.
00:39:09>> I can ask you about the buzz of ashley judd running for senate.
00:39:14>> Of course.
00:39:14>> She met with some pretty big democratic donors in the state.
00:39:18Does she have what it takes to BEAT SENATOR mitch McConnell, the senate minority leader?
00:39:23>> Absolutely.
00:39:24There is virtually no excitement at all about re-electing mitch McCONNELL IN THE STATE.
00:39:30A state-wide poll recently shows 75% of kentuckians, 35% of republicans will definitely vote to re-elect him.
00:39:39Plenty of energy to retire him after five terms and nobody i think could capture that energy better than somebody like ashley judd who has enormous star power, beloved in the commonwealth, eight generations her family has been in the state.
00:39:54University of kentucky's number one fan, and also she's a very, very smart woman who is very active in political issues, she's got a master's in public policy from harvard.
00:40:05She's very, very engaged, and i think she would be a terrific candidate.
00:40:11>> Wow.
00:40:12The master's in public policy from harvard gives her some cred right there.
00:40:18>> Good to see you, alex, thank you.
00:40:21>>> In this week's office politics, david denkins.
00:40:26We talk about his hard-fought race for mayor in 1989.
00:40:33I start by asking about his concern for the level of debt-ridden economy many.
00:40:39>> I'm very concerned.
00:40:40We are the greatest nation in the world.
00:40:43We have got enormous assets and a lot of good people, yet we have this tremendous difficulty.
00:40:58The money we spend in wars, at least one of which we should not ever have been in.
00:41:05And I am a product of world war ii.
00:41:15I was in the united states marine corps in 1945 and a proud recipient of a gold medal i thought the way to survive was to be well trained, and the way to be retrained was to be a marine.
00:41:34I didn't know anything about the s or the army rangers.
00:41:38They may not have even had them in that day.
00:41:40I knew about the marine corps and niform, I looked like a boy scout.
00:41:48One of the smartest things i have ever done.
00:41:50>> You talk about the expense of war, having been in the shoes of somebody serving our country.
00:41:58Once you're in it, you've got to spend it.
00:42:01>> Oh, I don't disagree with that.
00:42:12The problem is, in some instances we shouldn't have been.
00:42:17Colin powell made that statement of weapons of mass destruction, which was inaccurate.
00:42:22Not so.
00:42:23He was operating under the information given him.
00:42:25Who knows?
00:42:27We might have been there had it not been for that.
00:42:30>> To what do you attribute this hyper partisanship these days?
00:42:34>> I done know.
00:42:36>> Always been that way?
00:42:37>> I don't think so.
00:42:40I don't know whether it was lyndon johnson.
00:42:44Somebody years ago said we can disagree without being disagreeable.
00:42:48And -- >> john McCain said that.
00:42:50>> He's a hero.
00:42:52>> Um-hum.
00:42:53>> He's a hero.
00:42:55I don't know why some of our elecs behave as they do.
00:43:05It's rather sad frankly.
00:43:07>> That's on a federal lev.
00:43:09Look at the city you ran, the largest city in the nation.
00:43:12What was the tenor of partisanship at that point?
00:43:15>> Well, it was great.
00:43:19But when the battle was over, you sort of put away the weapons and -- and, you know, the pitchforks and got out the shovels or something.
00:43:29It -- it was different.
00:43:30It was a hard-fought battle, but I am -- I emerged with better than 50% of the vote in the primary, then I faced rudy, and he is not yet america's mayor.
00:43:499/11 Has not yet occurred.
00:43:54>> And what is it that put you over the steps.
00:44:00>> And the democrats, and it was 5-6-1.
00:44:10>> You are mayor in this city.
00:44:12In your tenure, all republicans.
00:44:15>> Part of the is, my friend mike in the last election, spent well ov$100 million.
00:44:25>> More of our conversation at 12:00 noon.
00:44:30And we'll talk about what he thinks is the root cause behind president obama's detractors.
00:44:39>>> Picking the winners.
00:44:41One expert's prediction.
00:44:43Get out your ballots, next.
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00:47:49>>> It is the biggest night in show business tomorrow.
00:47:52The academy awards take center stage.
00:47:54And we have senior editor of "in touch weekly" to tell us who has the best shot at oscar gold.
00:48:02Right to it.
00:48:03A lot of solid movies.
00:48:05Best picture, what do you have there?
00:48:08" everyone by now knows the story.
00:48:12It didn't look like "argo" was going to win.
00:48:17Ben affleck snubbed for best director nomination.
00:48:22You usually don't get the win for best picture if there is no best director nomination.
00:48:26Things have completely changed since the nomination.
00:48:31They won the golden globe, screen actors gild.
00:48:37Directors gild.
00:48:38It's a great movie.
00:48:39Critics like it, crowds like it.
00:48:41And hollywood ending, hollywood saves the day and the ben affleck angle too, and that story, a hollywood story as well.
00:48:49I love this.
00:48:50>> A good story.
00:48:51What about best director.
00:48:52Who gets that?
00:48:52>> This one, nobody really knows.
00:48:55Looks right now like maybe steven spielberg or ang lee for " he did such a great job with this amazing, beautiful story.
00:49:18>> A tough book definitely to turn into a movie.
00:49:20What about best actor?
00:49:22>> Daniel day-lewis.
00:49:23I don't think there is any question about this.
00:49:25>> We can just move on to best actress.
00:49:28>> Exactly.
00:49:29This would be his third win as best actor, which doesn't happen it would be an amazing feat for him.
00:49:35>> Best actress?
00:49:36>> A tough one.
00:49:37I think jennifer lawrence for " such a great film.
00:49:43Four actress nominations.
00:49:45But jennifer lawrence has
00:00:00Congressional republicans with just six days until the painful across the board budget cuts take effect, if no deal can be reached to avert the sequester.
00:00:09>> Are republicans in congress really willing to let these cuts fall on our kid' schools and mental health care just to protect tax loopholes for corporate jet owners?
00:00:18Are they really willing to slash military health care and the border patrol just because they refuse to eliminate tax breaks for big oil companies?
00:00:26Are they seriously prepared to inflict more pain on the middle class because they refuse to ask anything more of those at the very top?
00:00:33>> Meantime, republicans are defending their record, putting the blame on the president.
00:00:39Senator john hobin of north dakota delivered this week's republican address.
00:00:44>> House republicans have already passed two bills to replace the president's sequester.
00:00:49So the question is, why won't he work with us?
00:00:51And the answer quite simply is because he wants higher taxes.
00:00:55>> Let's go to the white house and nbc's kristen welker.
00:00:59Another good saturday to you, kristen.
00:01:01Let's talk about the president, what he's doing this weekend to help broker some sort of a deal to avoid the sequester taking effect on friday.
00:01:11>> Reporter: Alex, good afternoon.
00:01:13The president says he's going to have conversations with members of congress and throughout the week.
00:01:18But so far the limited conversations they have had have yielded no results.
00:01:21Both sides are dug in it seems increasingly likely the sequester will kick in.
00:01:26On friday president obama met with the prime minister of japan, and he answered some questions from journalists as you can imagine, many of them about the sequester.
00:01:36One person asking him, is it inevitable the sequester will go into effect?
00:01:40Here's what he had to say.
00:01:41Take a listen.
00:01:43>> I never think that anything's inevitable.
00:01:46We always have the opportunity to make the right decisions.
00:01:49I hope is that we can see a different course taken by congress.
00:01:53This should be a no-brainer.
00:01:55>> Reporter: Now in order to pressure congress to act, the obama administration has really been painting a dire picture of what would happen if the sequester did in fact kick in.
00:02:07On friday out going TRANSPORTATION secretary LaHood spoke to reporters.
00:02:11He warned that the faa would have to furlough 47,000 employees.
00:02:17La hood said that could mean that air travel would be slowed.
00:02:21Here's what la hood had to say.
00:02:23>> Travelers should expect delays.
00:02:26Flights to major cities, like new york, chicago and san francisco and others, could experience delays of up to 90 minutes during peak hours because we have fewer controllers on staff.
00:02:40>> Reporter: Now the administration has also warned that 800,000 civilian defense department workers would be fur loued, 10,000 teachers and educators could be laid off.
00:02:48Some border patrol agents would see a decrease in hours.
00:02:52Now on friday, house speaker john boehner's office responded to our inquiries for a reaction to all of this.
00:02:58And they responded by saying the president is "far more interested in holding campaign-style rallies than urging his party in the senate " alex, the sticking points are very familiar.
00:03:10They're the same sticking points that we've been talking about in a lot of these budget battles.
00:03:15President obama is demanding more revenue from taxes.
00:03:19Republicans say they want to deal with this issue through entitlement reform and through spending cuts.
00:03:24They're also accusing the white house of using scare tactics to try to get something accomplished here.
00:03:31The white house denies those claims, but I can tell you there's a lot of finger pointing going back and forth and very little action.
00:03:37Six days out and no resolution in sight.
00:03:41>> Okay, kristen welker, thank you for that rather dismal update there from the white house, appreciate that.
00:03:45>>> Joining me now, democratic congressman matt cartwright of depends.
00:03:51Representative cartwright, thank you for being here.
00:03:54>> Alex, my pleasure, how are you today?
00:03:57>> I'm well, thank you.
00:03:58But we've got to get to this business of the sequester.
00:04:00I know that you've described lawmakers as being on vacation when they dealing with the the sequester.
00:04:07It's hanging over the economy.
00:04:08And you say like the airplane we are flying is going down and we're taking a break to watch the in-flight movie.
00:04:15So what are you talking about?
00:04:17Is this sort of a lack of urgency from both sides?
00:04:20Because there's no incentive for democrats nor republicans to cut a deal here?
00:04:26>> I am not saying that at all, alex.
00:04:29I'm saying that the house leadership on the republican side, which controls the schedule, controls the calendar, they have every power to bring , to go back to our desks on the floor of the house and work out the problem.
00:04:48With ten days to go before the ridiculous sequester takes place, we don't get called back to washington.
00:04:55Instead, we have what we call a district work week scheduled.
00:05:00In other words, people are working on things other than averting this sequester.
00:05:06I think it's ridiculous.
00:05:07I think that even to see the republican house leadership working hardest on blaming president obama for the sequester is foolish.
00:05:18What we have is speaker boehner making posters about president obama trying to call it the obama-quester, sort of the way they did with obama care, making all the blame the president's.
00:05:33Well, here's the problem.
00:05:35When two sides agree to a deal, to a stopgap measure like the sequester, if they both agreed to it how is it the fault of one more than the other?
00:05:45What we have going on right now -- >> can't you even look -- look you're a freshman congressman.
00:05:50There was a lot of hope, a lot of sense of change, things might be different.
00:05:53I know a lot of you came in saying, we're going to make a difference now.
00:05:59Do you get any sense that both sides want to work together to try to resolve this problem?
00:06:05>> Oh, alex, I get a sense that not only is there a feeling among all of the freshman democrats and republicans that we want to come together and find a way out of this ridiculous sequester situation, I get that sense from republicans who are senior in the ranks, higher-up republicans, higher-up democrats.
00:06:28I believe that there are a lot of people in the house who do want to get together and work on this.
00:06:34We need to be in washington rolling up our sleeves and tackling this problem, but house republican leadership is not inviting us back to work on it.
00:06:44It's ridiculous.
00:06:45>> But you are back in on monday.
00:06:46So you have what, four days before it kicks in what's going to get done?
00:06:52If you're correct, if you're saying there are a lot of people, what is it the majority that you sense or just a powerful few that seem to be digging in their heels?
00:06:59Give me a sense of that and whether you think this thing will get done by friday.
00:07:05>> Well, there's no doubt there are some hard liners from the right who actually think it would be a good idea for the sequester to take place.
00:07:16I think that's outrageous.
00:07:16We're talking about a sequester.
00:07:18The last program before the top of the hour you had somebody describing the economy like a cancer patient.
00:07:26Well, you can use that analogy here.
00:07:29The sequester with indiscriminate cuts means that you've got to cut something out.
00:07:36All we're giving the surgeon is a meat cleaver instead of a scalpel.
00:07:43Nobody in any kind of responsible position would let that sques fer go through.
00:07:48The fact there are some members of congress who would like to see the sequester go through, i find that absolutely astonishing.
00:07:55And I think that it has to be replaced with something sensible.
00:07:58>> But even beyond the politicians, let's look at folks in your particular community who are going to hear about all sorts of things, from the fact that there are going to be meat inspectors that are furloughed so we're not sure about the quality and availability of our meat, the air traffic CONTROLLERS, LaHOOD Transportation secretary saying we're going to have delays, not even clear what kind of security problems that poses.
00:08:26And toby an hannah army depot looking to close in your district, 1,000 furloughs there.
00:08:34The national guard is going to send out notices as early as friday.
00:08:38Reaction from your constituents.
00:08:39How's that going?
00:08:40>> I'm very proud to represent the 5400 families who are supported by the toby hannah army depot.
00:08:48They do incredibly good communications refurbishing work for army equipment.
00:08:53And yes, they would be facing stark cuts for no good reason.
00:08:57And here's the problem.
00:08:59It doesn't just hurt our economy, which is in its fragile recovery.
00:09:05It doesn't just hurt jobs, which it would in my district as in many other districts that depend on defense spending.
00:09:12It hurts our nation's military preparedness.
00:09:15We don't want to be doing this.
00:09:17We want to be doing something sensible.
00:09:19We need to get back to washington.
00:09:22And we're counting on the republican house leadership to come to its senses, stop blaming each other, and find our way forward out of this mess.
00:09:30>> All right.
00:09:31Well, we'll be watching come monday.
00:09:33Democratic congressman from pennsylvania, matt cartwright, thanks so much for your time.
00:09:38Appreciate it.
00:09:38>> My pleasure.
00:09:39>>> Coming up in our next hour we'll hear from republican congressman marcia blackburn of tennessee.
00:09:44We'll get her take on all the looming cuts.
00:09:46>>> Northern new england bracing for its third winter storm in three weeks in kansas people are digging out right now after that storm dumped about a foot of snow on them.
00:09:53Look at the snow.
00:09:55It is too much for the roof at this local business.
00:09:57That's a mess right there.
00:10:03Dillon dryer, good day to you.
00:10:06>> Good day to you.
00:10:07The problem with the the storms they seem to hit area over and over ag new england will get know tonight and tomorrow.
00:10:18Missouri and kansas another storm next week.
00:10:20Boston at 30 degrees right now.
00:10:22Obviously we need things to cool off quite a bit before we start to see accumulating snow.
00:10:27In fact it does look like most of the day will be more or less a cold rain.
00:10:30Same goes for new york city, too.
00:10:32We're not really going to see any accumulation around here.
00:10:34This has a lot of moisture with it streaming in from the gulf of mexico.
00:10:38We've seen several inches of rain already in portions of the southeast.
00:10:43And we could see an additional, two three inches of rain across southeastern georgia and into northern florida as well.
00:10:50As far as snowfall accumulation is concerned it's mostly interior england.
00:10:56Six inches of snow, closer to nine in the higher elevations.
00:11:00But this is going to be more of a news an snowstorm than a big snowstorm.
00:11:05We are going to see our next snowstorm move in through the rockies and into the midwest early next week.
00:11:10And it could end up being another one of those storms that produces 6 to 12 inches of snow in areas like kansas city that are still digging out from the storm we had last week.
00:11:19>> Wow.
00:11:20Well, thanks for the head up on that, dylan.
00:11:22Appreciate it.
00:11:23What can you do, right?
00:11:24>>> Let's go from there to south africa where olympian oscar pistorius is free on bail but not exactly a free man.
00:11:32Surrendering his passport is just one of the many conditions pistorius must comply with as he AWAITS HIS TRIAL ON JUNE 4th.
00:11:38A chief magistrate granted pistorius bail yesterday.
00:11:42He's accused of fatally shooting his girlfriend reeva steinkamp.
00:11:49Michelle, good evening your time.
00:11:50Let's talk about what life is going to be like for oscar pistorius until his trial begins.
00:11:55What do you know about that?
00:11:56>> Reporter: Well, he went back to his uncle's house after he was released on bail.
00:12:00Now he's not allowed to go to his gated mansion which is also the scene of the alleged crime.
00:12:04So that's just one of many conditions as you said of his bail.
00:12:09Still, he is free.
00:12:10And his coach is even talking about starting to train him again as soon as monday.
00:12:17Oscar pistorius had reason to smile but didn't, heading home with his family out of jail.
00:12:24An international pack of photographers chased their suv all the way to his uncle's secure home.
00:12:29In the two-hour ruling was read friday keeping a packed courtroom and the world on the edge of its seat.
00:12:35>> The accused has made a case to be released on bail.
00:12:39>> Reporter: The emotion flowed.
00:12:42Pistorius sonned, his body shaking, his family overcome with relief, at one point holding hands and praying.
00:12:50>> We are relieved the fact that oscar got bail today.
00:12:56But at the same time, we are in mourning for the death of reeva with her family.
00:13:04>> Reporter: A friend of victim reeva steinkamp was also in court.
00:13:08>> We prayed that justice will prevail.
00:13:12And we're still just very sad that we need to remember that somebody's lost their live.
00:13:17>> Reporter: Now a relative's home may be where pistorius will have to stay these next weeks, months, possibly more than a year leading up to trial.
00:13:23The judge ruled he will have to vendor his passports, guns, can't use drugs or alcohol.
00:13:29Can't go back home.
00:13:30Needs permission to leave town.
00:13:31Will have to check in with police twice a week starting monday.
00:13:35This past week, pistorius's agent canceled all his upcoming races.
00:13:40Sponsors including nike suspended their contract with him.
00:13:43Yet his long time coach says he wants him to start training again immediately.
00:13:48>> I think just to get his mind sort of clear.
00:13:51The sooner he can start the better.
00:13:56>> Reporter: In court the judge said he has difficulties with parts of pistorius's story.
00:14:00Why he rushed toward where pistorius claimed was terrifying danger, didn't ask who was in that bathroom, he fired into.
00:14:07Never went searching for his girlfriend when he realized she wasn't in bed.
00:14:11But he ruled that a free pistorius is not a danger, and in this case won't run.
00:14:20He doesn't have to be back in court until june.
00:14:24And today an interview was published in the south african newspaper with the father of reeva steinkamp who said the only ones who really know what happened that morning are oscar pistorius and god and no matter how much money he has, how great his legal team is, he will have to live with his conscience and will suffer if he's not telling the truth.
00:14:43If he is telling the truth, her father said, he may one day be able to forgive pistorius.
00:14:49>> Okay.
00:14:49Thank you so much from south africa.
00:14:52>>> West coast headlines are next with a controversial tuition break and what's behind the startling about face by some republican governors on the PRESIDENT'S HEALTH CARE LAW.al One...
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00:18:16>>> Headlines making news out on the west coast.
00:18:19The oregonian front page story, controversial tuition break passes.
00:18:22It's about the house passing a bill to grant in-state tuition breaks to undocumented oregon high school graduates.
00:18:27The bill now goes to the senate which approved similar past bills.
00:18:31The governor has promised to sign it.
00:18:32>>> And the seattle times has a story on a 1964 poeb mobile which is on display now at a tacoma museum.
00:18:40The stretch limousine carried pope paul vi during a 1995 visit to new york city.
00:18:46It was the first time a reigning pope ever came to the u.s.
00:18:51>>> Congress has six days to avoid the sequester impacts.
00:18:59Evenly split between defense spending and domestic spending.
00:19:022 trillion over ten years, equal to $500 billion in the defense department budget, $1 billion to fema.
00:19:15More than $500 million in loan guarantees to small businesses would be cut.
00:19:20Joining me now, msnbc contributor and managing editor joann reid and white house "washington post" reporter.
00:19:28Joann we'll go ladies first here.
00:19:30What is the convention am wisdom on this?
00:19:32Will an agreement be reached?
00:19:34>> You know what, the irony and the problem is on the republican side there are some republicans I think who kind of favor the sequester in a way.
00:19:42This is a way to get the austerity that they've long wanted, big sweeping budget cuts.
00:19:47But at the same time, on a lot of local levels you have districts where those defense cuts are really going to bite.
00:19:52So you have some folks that are hoping for carve outs or hoping to sort of avoid it for that reason.
00:19:58It's kind of almost at this point sort of a tossup.
00:20:01It's not clear where the republicans in the house stand.
00:20:03>> David, what about the political calculation here?
00:20:06As well as a policy calculation?
00:20:09Where does the white house fall on both?
00:20:10>> You saw, alex, this week the president came out on tuesday and he had an event with first responder emergency responders saying their budgets are going to be cut.
00:20:18Then the pentagon came out the next day and said we're going to have to lay off 800,000 civilian workers or furlough them one day a week.
00:20:26YESTERDAY YOU had LaHood, the transportation secretary come to the white house briefing room and say we're going to have delays in air traffic, shut down air traffic control.
00:20:34This tactic is because the white house recognizes they're trying to sway public opinion and put pressure from the outside on republicans.
00:20:40It's interesting.
00:20:40A poll came out just this week that said the vast majority of americans don't know a lot about these cuts that are coming down.
00:20:46The white house is trying to change that.
00:20:48The white house is still working, hoping for a deal.
00:20:50But I get a sense that most of washington and probably even at the white house they recognize we could go past the sequester at least for a few weeks, and there's going to be another chance late in march where the continuing spending resolution comes up or expires and they're going to have to negotiate deal on that.
00:21:06And it all could just be wrapped up into one.
00:21:09>> David, I'm sure you read the article in your paper penned by bob woodward in which he writes that it was in fact then omb director jack lew who came up with the sequester idea.
00:21:21In fact he has the exact time and date when they first pitched it to senator harry reid, july 27th, 2011.
00:21:29What's your read on that?
00:21:31>> Very detailed reporting by bob woodward there.
00:21:34It's an interesting take.
00:21:35Certainly the republicans have jumped on.
00:21:36It's been a debate over the last few weeks about who -- actual lit last few months about whose idea this was.
00:21:43You have jack lew, the former chief of staff to the president, up for treasury secretary who said it at a hearing.
00:21:50This was a republican idea.
00:21:51You see the president has sort of hinted at that, too.
00:21:56More recently jay carney at the white house has acknowledged this isn't a white house idea.
00:21:58The republicans are making a big issue of that.
00:22:00As much as the white house is fanning the flames of concern now, sounding the alarms this week it was their idea.
00:22:05They're saying the president needs to come and meet us and sort of acknowledge we gave a little bit on the fiscal cliff on taxes and not going to do it this time.
00:22:15That's the strategy the republicans are using to pin it on the white house.
00:22:20>> Joann, they're really blaming the gop for the sequester.
00:22:24Really by the way does it matter at this point who brought it up?
00:22:27Both sides signed on >> exactly.
00:22:29It's funny that the argument that republicans really are choosing to sort of fight on the hill on is whose idea was the original sequester.
00:22:35The problem for them, of course, many more republicans in the house voted for the sequester than democrats.
00:22:41Democrats were truly split on it.
00:22:45But in the house you had republicans 174 of them voted for it, only 66 voted no.
00:22:50In the senate you had a lot more of the conservative senators voting against it.
00:22:53They were saying because the cuts were weren't draconian enough.
00:22:57The white house in the way got the better of the deal in this sense.
00:22:59They were able to carve out medicare, social security, those weren't touched and food stamps which usually republicans like to cut those were left off the table and are not subject to the sequester.
00:23:08Meanwhile there were these sweeping defense cuts which a lot of people on the left favored.
00:23:13The problem for democrats, of course, is that the other across the board cuts will hit a lot of programs like home heating, things that are really important to particularly leb al mention.
00:23:21Everybody has some pain.
00:23:22But the idea was that these things were so bad that no one would ever let them happen.
00:23:28The problem is now there is an intellectual argument coming from the right that says no, we want these things to happen.
00:23:34This is the only way to get toward a balanced budget.
00:23:36You really do have a split that's more on the right than the left.
00:23:39>> It's interesting, because i want to move on to florida with you, joann.
00:23:45Gop governor rick scott doing a 180, now backing medicaid expansion under the president's health care law, a law that he fiercely fought.
00:23:53Let's listen to how the governor explained his switch on this issue.
00:23:57>> While the federal government is committed to paying 100% of the cost, I cannot in good conscience deny floridaance that needed access to health care.
00:24:09We will support a three-year expansion of our medicaid program under the new health care law.
00:24:16>> You covered florida for years, joann.
00:24:18He says it's about his good conscience.
00:24:20Is this about conscience or is this politics?
00:24:22>> It's politics.
00:24:23Rick scott has really dismal approval ratings.
00:24:26He's up for re-election in 2014.
00:24:28He's been softening a lot of positions he's held going in.
00:24:31This guy is only known on the national stage because he formed a pac that ran commercials against the idea of obama care.
00:24:36And then as governor he fought the affordable care act all the way to the supreme court, led the states that sued to stop the law.
00:24:42And has said really up until even a couple of months ago he would absolutely not do the medicaid expansion.
00:24:48But the problem is, hospital interest in florida stood to lose something like $33 billion 3 million floridians without insurance coverage couldn't also get medicaid.
00:24:59Without medicaid you have a lot of people who would show up at , about a million of 3 million, who could get care uncompensated by the federal government.
00:25:08So hospital interests have really pushed republicans including scott to take this money.
00:25:12And it's not an if it's three years, it is three years.
00:25:15That's what the law said.
00:25:16They're getting 100%.
00:25:17Florida just couldn't afford to say no because hospital interests would go bankrupt literally if they didn't take it.
00:25:23>> Guys unfortunately I have to wrap this.
00:25:25This is going down in ohio.
00:25:27We have a republican john case doing the exact same thing, expanding medicaid.
00:25:33Good to see you.
00:25:35>>> In office politics, former new york mayor david dinkins offers his views on why some republicans seem to be so against president obama's efforts in the white house.
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00:28:45>>> Welcome back to "weekends " now it's time for headlines as we approach the half hour.
00:28:50Six storage tanks are leaking radioactive waste at a nuclear facility in washington state.
00:28:54The first leak at the hanford nuclear reservation was revealed last week.
00:29:00The waste is left over from decades of nuclear weapons production.
00:29:03The department of energy says monitors have not detected any significant increase in radiation levels.
00:29:08>>> The pentagon is grounding its entire fleet of f 35 fighter jets after cracked engine blade was found in the air force version of that jet.
00:29:17The navy and marine corps versions will stay on the ground until engineer can figure out how the crack got there.
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00:32:44>>> New today, president obama says he's going to spend the weekend reaching out to legislators trying to resolve the sequester fight.
00:32:51That's our strategy talk today.
00:32:54Peggy noonan is writing that president is using scare tactics to get his way on the sequester.
00:32:58But with the latest polls showing the majority of the public backs the president's plans for all of the biggest issues, is he really just giving the people who they voted for?
00:33:07Joining me now is tony fratta, white house press secretary bush and morris reid of gbr group.
00:33:17Good to see you both.
00:33:20>> Hey, alex.
00:33:21>> Tony, on the deficit, guns, immigration, climate change, the president's plans all have a really comfortable lead there.
00:33:31The republicans talked a lot about learning lessons from the elections and evolving their policies.
00:33:35Has anything really changed?
00:33:36>> It's not about how issues poll, alex.
00:33:39If we had based it solely on polling, obama care never would have gotten done, right?
00:33:45We still have to search for a poll that would show the majority of americans anywhere that supported the president's plan on health care reform.
00:33:51So the real test of a president and his team is how can they build coalitions in congress to get done the things that they want to get done.
00:33:57And we're not seeing a lot of success in that right now with the president on the sequester, certainly not on climate change.
00:34:04And a lot of questions as to whether he's going to be able to be effective doing it on immigration reform.
00:34:09I'd love to see us get immigration reform done.
00:34:12I'm more pro immigration than the president.
00:34:14I want to see a plan get done, but he doesn't make it easy.
00:34:17>> Tony tony tony.
00:34:18>> There's no question about that, morris.
00:34:20>> Listen.
00:34:21I know you're pro immigration.
00:34:23More than the president I'm not for sure.
00:34:24>> For sure.
00:34:25>> Listen.
00:34:25I have to tell you.
00:34:26The republicans would have more credibility on this if george bush didn't use 9/11 as scare TACTICS, IF mitch McConnell didn't say his number one objective is to not have barack obama re-elected.
00:34:37The problem comes across as if they will do anything in order to make sure that this president isn't successful.
00:34:44They tried to stop re-election.
00:34:45He's now re-elected.
00:34:46Now they're trying to stop him in his pursuit of policy.
00:34:51So alex, it's like they'll work with him at any cost.
00:34:54>> Okay.
00:34:55I'm curious do you think there's a chance, morris, of the president overplaying his hand?
00:34:59While his approval numbers are high right now they have dropped about 4% just in the last month and a half or so.
00:35:05So do you think there's a chance that he is overplaying things?
00:35:08Is there an indication of that being true?
00:35:12>> Well, alex, I'm a ron brown democrat.
00:35:15He always taught me it's never as good as you think or bad as you think.
00:35:19Of course sometimes we overplay our hands as democrats that's what republicans do it at times.
00:35:23We absolutely have to get something done.
00:35:25Believe it or not, the president will be judged as a successful president if he turns the economy around.
00:35:30So we can do all the posturing and filibustering and blame these guys.
00:35:34If we don't move the needle on the economy, he will not be judged as a successful president.
00:35:39>> Go ahead, alex.
00:35:40>> No, you go ahead.
00:35:41>> I think we need to find a way to do it in more of a -- some kind of spirit of trust on this, morris, though.
00:35:47I think we're getting to a really difficult place here between both houses of congress and the white house in their ability to function on these issues.
00:35:58I've actually optimistic we are going to get something done on immigration reform.
00:36:01I'm not optimistic about almost any other issue that's going to come before the congress for the rest of this year, maybe into 2014.
00:36:09I just don't see the incentives on either side and trust and ability to get deals to get anything done.
00:36:15>> Trust, ability, incentive.
00:36:16A lot of that is based on leverage.
00:36:19As I've mentioned today, tony, republicans in congress have an approval rating of oh, 25%.
00:36:26So with numbers like that what is their leverage beyond these self-created crises of the sequester?
00:36:34>> It's compartmentalized with republicans.
00:36:36Looking at national numbers on republicans.
00:36:38Don't get me wrong.
00:36:38I'd love to seat national republican party polling better.
00:36:42No question about that.
00:36:42But if you look at the districts that republicans are in, there is a view that they are popular in their district.
00:36:50When the president goes out and attacks republicans, there are some republicans out there who say can you please come to my district and attack me here.
00:36:58>> Tony it's funny to hear you say this.
00:37:01Republicans actually lost seats in the congress but gained because of gerrymandering.
00:37:06It's just -- as you know in this business you can screw the numbers any way you want.
00:37:09You guys are playing small ball.
00:37:11And you're falling into some of the pitfalls that the president is laying for you.
00:37:14Here's the real challenge for the president.
00:37:16And really this is what you do when you play offense.
00:37:19You move the issues -- you move needle on big issues.
00:37:22Go above the party's head.
00:37:23But you have to find some common ground.
00:37:26If you don't find common ground you use the executive order.
00:37:29I know my republican friends hate to hear that.
00:37:32Just as the republicans with george bush used it to move his agenda, the president will grow tired of trying to deal with these guys and move to executive order to move the economy forward.
00:37:42>> I'm a big executive branch guy, morris.
00:37:44I love executive orders.
00:37:46And I understand the president is going to try to do that.
00:37:48>> You know what, morris, I want to go with what peggy noonan wrote in her column here.
00:37:54In a way it's all brilliant show biz, scare people into supporting your position.
00:37:59But we've been through it before.
00:38:01You wonder again why a triumphant president and a battered republican house majority can't reach a responsible agreement.
00:38:11You remind yourself, why because mr. obama thrives in chaos.
00:38:14>> You know, I respect her prose.
00:38:16She is a very eloquent writer.
00:38:18Why wasn't she writing those same prose when george bush was irresponsibly saying that if the democrats were re-elected it would be more 9/11s happening here every day?
00:38:26She has absolutely no credibility.
00:38:28And this goes to the heart of what they're trying to do.
00:38:31They're trying tear this president down at any cost.
00:38:33This is good politics.
00:38:34This is what they wish they could do.
00:38:36And the fact that they can't it's absurd that they're trying to turn it around as if he is the reason that we're having the chaos.
00:38:43>> I think the president's just using the tools in his tool box to try to message on this.
00:38:47Both sides are going to try to message on this as best they can.
00:38:51This what is the president's going to do.
00:38:53To call it scare tactics, you can call it whatever you want.
00:38:57The president is standing with first responders and the military and the air traffic controller.
00:39:04>> The president does these things, tony, because he won the election.
00:39:08He set an agenda.
00:39:09The american public agrees with our agenda.
00:39:13Could you guys stop rehashing the election?
00:39:16>> Morris, you're rehashing the election.
00:39:21>> The congress's responsibility is to follow.
00:39:23This is not parliamentary.
00:39:25>> It's not the way the government works, morris.
00:39:28>> There's checks and balances no.
00:39:30A parliamentary system.
00:39:32The president it not your equal.
00:39:33>> Morris, I dealt with a democratic majority in congress also, right?
00:39:36I can tell you that was not the view of the democratic leadership when they took control of congress in 2006.
00:39:44So I think it's where you sit is where you stand on some of these things.
00:39:48The president is only going to get to be president for less than another four years.
00:39:53Republicans were here before, republicans will be here after his presidency.
00:39:56He needs to ask himself, is this the way he wants his presidency to go or does he want to find compromise solutions by the way -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> I have something, a news flash for you.
00:40:15Hillary rodham clinton will be a two-term president.
00:40:18You need to get used to having a two-term democrat in the white house.
00:40:22>> She has a lot of experience being the presumed next president.
00:40:25>> Wow, morris, did you have to start that so early?
00:40:30Up [ overlapping speakers ] >> four years left of barack obama.
00:40:32I just wanted to be clear we're going to have 12 years left of a democratic presidency to deal with.
00:40:36So tony get used to this.
00:40:43[ Overlapping speakers ] >> those are future battles, morris.
00:40:47Let's try to deal with the ones in front of us now.
00:40:50>> If you guys will play your role we might be able to get something done.
00:40:53>> Anything else?
00:40:55Okay we're done.
00:40:56Morris reid.
00:40:57>> I love tony, by the way.
00:41:00He's fantastic.
00:41:00>> Same here, morris.
00:41:01>> Thanks, you guys.
00:41:02Appreciate it.
00:41:03>>> In today's office politics, former new york city mayor david dinkins discusses his long-term relationship with the clip tons.
00:41:13First I ask what he thinks motivates people to come out against president obama.
00:41:18>> I think some degree of it has to be race.
00:41:21Sad to say.
00:41:24But it's a fact.
00:41:27See, in my day we never envisioned there would be a black mayor of new york city, much less president of the country.
00:41:35And there are some who still can't stomach it, it seems, because barack obama is a very gifted, accomplished political figure.
00:41:46And he's smart.
00:41:48And people may disagree with him from time to time about policy issues.
00:41:53But I mean, what could be more ridiculous than my friend donald trump with his birther nonsense?
00:42:02Demands for his birth certificate?
00:42:05I mean, it's ridiculous.
00:42:06>> Being the first black mayor of new york city, what was significant about that accomplishment to you?
00:42:12>> One in the sense it had never heretofore occurred, I had a lot of shoulders on which I stood.
00:42:18I supported jesse jackson in '84 and in '88.
00:42:22And in '88 we registered a lot of people in new york city that voted for jesse.
00:42:27Those same people came out and voted for me in '89.
00:42:34So I recognize they owe a large degree of my success not only to him but to many others, especially percy sutton who in 1977 said to me one day he was going to run for mayor.
00:42:49I said really?
00:42:50Mayor of new york?
00:42:51I mean, black man running for mayor?
00:42:53Because percy always had vision.
00:42:55>> He paved the way.
00:42:56>> Oh, no question about it.
00:43:00When hillary ran for the senate here in new york, as you will recall, there were those that suggested she was a carpet bagger and on and on.
00:43:09But charlie rangel and I and a lot of others supported her candidacy.
00:43:13 mayor, the reaction from people when you said, I'm supporting hillary clinton over barack obama.
00:43:19How did that go down?
00:43:21>> Well, they're not often but there were those who said, how can you support the lady against the brother?
00:43:32And I said, friendship and loyalty.
00:43:34She and bill clinton had been kind and helpful to me.
00:43:38And moreover, I didn't live in illinois.
00:43:41I'm a new york resident.
00:43:42And she was my senator.
00:43:44>> The likely scenarios for 2016, do they include hillary clinton in a run for the presidency?
00:43:51>> I think so.
00:43:54I continue to believe that she is way up there on the list of those persons who might seek the democratic nomination.
00:44:01And has a far greater chance of success at one, becoming a democratic nominee, and then of course being elected president.
00:44:10First woman president of the united states.
00:44:11>> You've been married how long now?
00:44:15>> It will be 60 years come AUGUST 30th.
00:44:24And we're planning now a big celebration.
00:44:30You're hereby invited.
00:44:33>> Thank you.
00:44:34>> And I will probably tell the story of the ditch digger.
00:44:39My bride and I are riding along in the citousine when I was a mayor.
00:44:46See a fellow with a shovel digging a ditch.
00:44:51I said, joyce -- that's her name joyce.
00:44:53Isn't that the fellow you used to date?
00:44:55Not knocking the fellow because he's a ditch digger, but I said, see, if you'd married him you'd be the wife of a ditch digger.
00:45:03She said no, if I'd married him he'd be mayor.
00:45:06>> That is so good!
00:45:11Most people who are grandparents say it's even better than parenting.
00:45:14>> Absolutely.
00:45:14>> Why?
00:45:15>> I don't know.
00:45:15A whole lot of mistakes you made with the children you correct.
00:45:19Our son swears that I have mellowed over time.
00:45:23He said when he was little, he said I was really severe.
00:45:27And I said no, man.
00:45:29The reason you think that is because you remember your mother saying wait until your father comes home.
00:45:37But I'm the same pussy cat now i was then.
00:45:41>> Do you think those that opposed you in office would call you a pussy cat?
00:45:46>> Maybe not.
00:45:47>> You may have noticed that photo.
00:45:49Indeed that was nelson mandela holding the mayor's grand baby at the time, some 22 years ago.
00:45:55>>> And tomorrow at this time the mayor discusses the highs and lows of his tenure of mayor of new york including the crown heights riots.
00:46:03Plus he shares his passion for tennis and names his favorite all-time tennis pros.
00:46:08>>> Actress dare ill hannah on why it's worth getting arrested more than once for her latest cause.
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00:49:49>>> Environmentalists say republicans just today are calling on the president to approve the keystone xl pipeline.
00:49:55Among those protesting the pipeline, actress daryl hannah who was recently arrested outside the white house during the protest against the project.
00:50:03And hannah is joining me from l.a. to discuss this issue.
00:50:06Daryl, welcome.
00:50:07>> Thank you.
00:50:07>> Look, I know you've been arrested several times protesting this pipeline.
00:50:12Tell me why you were so passionately opposed to this project.
00:50:16>> Well, the keystone xl pipeline, export pipeline, is really a conduit for further expansion of the dirtiest, largest industrial mine on the planet.
00:50:30And right now it's about the size of the city of chicago, and they plan to expand it to the size of the state of florida.
00:50:38This pipeline is intended to get its product to the gulf of mexico for export.
00:50:45This is not fuel for the united states.
00:50:47We're already processing that fuel in oklahoma, but they want to by pass oklahoma to get it down to the gulf because they aren't able to get it to the coast in canada since the indigenous communities have stopped it from going through their lands.
00:51:00>> So this is not the only oil pipeline project in the country.
00:51:03What is it about this one that makes it different and -- is it the size or you're talking about the dirty environmental issues?
00:51:11I mean, what is it that makes this one so volatile?
00:51:15>> Well, there's a number of issues.
00:51:18Not the least of which is that first of all this is not conventional crude.
00:51:22This is tar sand sludge.
00:51:23It has to be heated.
00:51:26It's called bitamin.
00:51:28It has to be heated to 150 degrees to get it to move through the pipe.
00:51:32It's a very corrosive substance.
00:51:35They had 12 spills in the first 12 months.
00:51:37Numerous issues.
00:51:38It holds no benefits for us.
00:51:40We would inherit all the risk.
00:51:42But the main reason obviously is even the world bank issued a report last week that if we don't do something urgently, urgently, to address the climate crisis, that we are looking at major systems collapse, extinctions, dislocation and massive suffering if we don't address this.
00:52:04So we have an ethical responsibility.
00:52:07And the tar sands projects is an extremely carbon intensive producing mine.
00:52:15>> But daryl, you're talking about there's no benefits.
00:52:18I imagine you're speaking purely from an environmental ecological standpoint.
00:52:22>> No, no.
00:52:22I'm speaking from every standpoint.
00:52:24There's been a lot of mischaracterizations that this is going to provide a lot of jobs.
00:52:29Been mischaracterized as being something that will provide fuel for the united states.
00:52:33But this is an export pipeline.
00:52:35The fuel that we're already receiving from the tar sands is being refined in oklahoma.
00:52:40They need to get it to the coast so that they can get $20 a barrel more for it to export it.
00:52:48>> If there's nothing, I mean, what are the benefits of this project?
00:52:52I can't imagine that there's nothing.
00:52:54>> That's a great question.
00:52:56>> No economic benefits?
00:52:57>> The economic benefits are there for the coke brothers and the people who own the refineries down in the gulf of mexico.
00:53:02That's it.
00:53:03That's why there's been such a massive disinformation campaign to confuse people that this has something to do with our gas prices.
00:53:11In fact, the studies show -- there's an independent study on jobs if you want to look it up from cornell.
00:53:16There's a study that shows that in fact this might even make our gas prices rise because the amount of gas that they're going to be shipping to india, perhaps china, will actually lessen the amount of gas that we refine in oklahoma from those -- from that same project.
00:53:36>> Can you give me a sense, if you have one, of what the president's going to do?
00:53:40He's postponed making a decision on the pipeline already.
00:53:42>> That's right.
00:53:43Well, the president is getting a lot of financial pressure and pressure from lobbyists, the wealthiest corporations on the planet, oil companies, are putting a lot of pressure on him to approve this pipeline.
00:53:54They have a vested interest.
00:53:55They will make billions of dollars.
00:53:57But people, ranchers, farmers, people who are traditionally considered conservative and people who are liberal, are fighting this thing.
00:54:04Because we know it's not in our best interests.
00:54:07It will go right through our aquifers, our vital water resource systems which we know we cannot jeopardize since we have massive drought and that's projected to continue and wildfires and crop yields are going down.
00:54:19This is not something we can risk just to have a benefit for some billionaires who are going to make more money if they get their product to export.
00:54:27And that's what we really -- it's important to do the research and understand the reality of the situation.
00:54:32Because how it's being presented to us and sold to us is not what the truth of the situation is.
00:54:39>> Well, actress, active it daryl hannah, I'm really glad for your insights.
00:54:43Thank you so much for sharing them with us.
00:54:45>> Thank you, alex.
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01:01:10>>> Good day to all of you.
01:01:12Welcome to "weekends with alex " here in the east, 10:00 a.m. out west.
01:01:18We begin in pretoria, south africa where olympic star oscar pistorius is spending his first day out of jail.
01:01:25This is the car driving pistorius into the home of his uncle yesterday after hearing his fate.
01:01:33Let's go to nbc's michelle crazinski.
01:01:38Michelle, give us a sense of what today must be like for pistorius.
01:01:42>> Reporter: Well, he hasn't been seen today.
01:01:44We know that he went to the home of his uncle.
01:01:47Everyone's assuming that he's still there.
01:01:49He does have a lot of restrictions placed on him.
01:01:52It seemed like the judge really knew there was going to be some outrage if he was released.
01:01:57The judge actually asked that question in court to the defense attorney saying will there be community shock if we release him.
01:02:03It actually was interesting.
01:02:05The defense attorney said, well, given the problems that we've seen with some of the state's evidence it will be a shock if he's not released.
01:02:11This release was expected to some extent.
01:02:15But the judge put these restrictions on him.
01:02:16He's not allowed to go back to his own home.
01:02:19Remember that was the scene of the alleged crime.
01:02:21He has to surrender his passports, his guns.
01:02:23He's not allowed to use alcohol or drugs.
01:02:26He has to ask permission to leave his town.
01:02:28And he has to check in with police twice a week.
01:02:31The first time he has to check in, we believe, will be monday.
01:02:34So it's possible we'll see him then.
01:02:36We guess that he might show up there with his attorney.
01:02:39But I think what's really interesting today is that for the first time, we're hearing a lot of comment from rehave seen reeva steinkamp's family.
01:02:58He said the only ones who know what happened was pistorius and god.
01:03:02He said no matter how great his legal team is he's going to have to live with his conscience.
01:03:07He will suffer if he's not telling the truth.
01:03:09If he has been telling the truth, her father said that one day he thinks he may be able to forgive him.
01:03:15So that was sort of the news that we heard coming from her side of the family.
01:03:20We really haven't heard much from them before.
01:03:21They've been in a deep state of mourning.
01:03:24Pistorius's family has also been extremely emotional and they expressed a lot of relief once that bail ruling was announced yesterday, alex.
01:03:31>> Yes.
01:03:31You know, michelle, here we have you leading the show.
01:03:36You've been leading nightly newscasts.
01:03:38I can only imagine right there what this coverage is like.
01:03:40Can you put that in perspective for us?
01:03:44Is it everywhere?
01:03:45>> Reporter: Sort of.
01:03:46I mean, it hasn't been kind of a mad crush that you might see with -- I didn't cover the o.j.
01:03:52Simpson trial.
01:03:52I know there have been a lot of comparisons made between that and this preliminary.
01:03:57Since this has not gone to trial yet.
01:03:58But there was the mad crush of press from around the world.
01:04:02Everybody literally pushing and shoving.
01:04:05One journalist passed out one day.
01:04:06Because remember, it's close to 100 degrees here.
01:04:09And waiting outside to get in.
01:04:12It's all over the newspapers and television here.
01:04:15Gigantic pictures on the front pages.
01:04:18Sensational headlines.
01:04:19And I think what's been most interesting is seeing debate on the street.
01:04:24I was walking to our satellite truck from our live shot the other day, and I saw this group of people making a lot of noise.
01:04:30I kind of wondered oh, I wonder what that's about.
01:04:32It sounded like they were in a big fight.
01:04:34As I got closer, they were arguing about this case.
01:04:37Did they believe pistorius's story or not.
01:04:40Trying to re-enact part of it.
01:04:42How could this have been?
01:04:43And they were so passionate about it.
01:04:46That really told me how much people in the community care about this.
01:04:49They want to see how it turns out.
01:04:51But they also want to see justice done.
01:04:54And just like rehave steenkamp's father says, the only account we really know from somebody who was at that scene was is oscar pistorius.
01:05:07>>> Let's go to politics now.
01:05:09New today president obama is urging congress to compromise with just six days until the sequester triggers those massive budget cuts.
01:05:15Republicans say it's the president who won't budge.
01:05:18>> They can cut spending in a smart way and close wasteful loopholes for the well off and well-connected.
01:05:28Unfortunately it appears that republicans in congress have decided that instead of compromising, instead of asking anything of the wealthiest americans, they'd rather let these cuts fall squarely on the middle class.
01:05:37>> President obama, however, not only wants higher taxes, he's actually preventing economic growth and private sector job creation.
01:05:45He is blocking it with more regulation, red tape and bureaucracy.
01:05:52>> Joining me now political news and world report" and msnbc contributor.
01:05:58Hello to the both of you.
01:06:00So let's look at the calendar here, lauren.
01:06:02Six days now away from the sequester.
01:06:04Give me your assessment.
01:06:06Is this a foregone conclusion?
01:06:08>> I think we are definitely going to see sequestration happen.
01:06:11But there's going to be a lot of drama next week.
01:06:14We're going to turn to the senate.
01:06:15Republicans and democrats are both expected or democrats have already introduced legislation that they're going vote on.
01:06:21So democrats want to see 50-50 replacement of the sequester with 50% spending cuts and 50% tax increases through new revenues.
01:06:32So we're going to see them vote on that.
01:06:36And republicans have even kind of thrown around this idea that maybe they'll pass a bill that would give the president more onus over the cuts so that he could kind of pick where those cuts would go.
01:06:43It would also kind of make him more politically vulnerable when it came to sequestration.
01:06:50>> George will suggesting the sequester is manufactured.
01:06:52Here's what he wroets.
01:06:54"Sensible americans, tuckered out with apocalypsefatigue, are yawning through the catastrophe " how much of the sequester drama is manufactured?
01:07:05And even if some of it is, aren't regular americans going to feel it, anyway?
01:07:09>> Yes.
01:07:09I think he's wrong about this.
01:07:10I mean, there are two things i would say.
01:07:12One, if you go look at the local newspapers in virginia, in wisconsin, the local news, I've done a little bit of this.
01:07:20You can see people on the front pages of the papers have the sequester on the news.
01:07:24I don't think it's being ignored in regular america, in part because so many people work for the federal government.
01:07:29The second thing is, it actually does affect real people.
01:07:32Starting in april a lot of federal workers, like 1 million federal workers will face these fur lows.
01:07:37They actually really matter.
01:07:41Particularly in virginia and maryland, states where a lot of spending comes from the federal government.
01:07:44I don't think this is a manufactured crisis at all.
01:07:46>> Okay.
01:07:48Lauren, let's look at polls.
01:07:50Usa today, pew poll shows republicans widely in favor of president obama's approach on the sequester.
01:07:55On the other hand you have republicans, some of them tea partiers, they feel beholden to their local constituents to not raise taxes another penny.
01:08:05So does neither party have incentive to resolve the sequester fight quickly?
01:08:08>> You know, nationally in that same pew poll it showed that republicans in the house of representatives had about 25% of the american support.
01:08:17But back in their districts they are very popular.
01:08:19And they have campaigned on this issue of not raising taxes, not getting new revenue because they think every time we get new revenue the president just spends it.
01:08:28So democrats are dug in and republicans are dug in I don't really think there's much incentive here for either side to compromise on this issue.
01:08:34Because it's popular with both their constituencies.
01:08:37>> So compromise, perry.
01:08:39Where does this lie?
01:08:41Does it lie around loopholes, closing them or allowing them to close?
01:08:45>> There's a couple of things going on here.
01:08:47The first is that you can really imagine that something happening ON APRIL 1st.
01:08:52The big deadline is not march 1st but march 27th when the current funding for the government runs out.
01:08:57You can imagine some kind of agreement that reaches a sort of nails the sequester and government funding into one bill and has some spending cuts but not the kind of draconian ones in the sequester.
01:09:08The core issue is at taxes.
01:09:10Taxes taxes taxes.
01:09:11The republicans do not want to increase taxes twice in three months.
01:09:14The president is basically saying, I want on raising taxes more and I'm going to keep insisting upon that.
01:09:19And the public is with me because most polls so that the public would like a deal that includes tax increases as well as spending cuts.
01:09:27So the president is not going to take a republican issue when the republicans have a 14% approval rating and president has 55% approval rating up.
01:09:36Hard to concede when you're that popular and president of the united states.
01:09:39>> Lauren, for once there are no political winners in washington.
01:09:42That is the title of your latest news and world report" on the sequester.
01:09:46What do you mean by that?
01:09:47>> When the president has been out kind of explaining how detrimental these cuts are going to be.
01:09:53And I think that maybe part of this is he knows it's going to happen.
01:09:56So he's going to go out, get the public opinion on his side.
01:10:00But what's tough is that if this actually happens and it does affect the economy the way that some people have said it might, nobody wins here, right?
01:10:08The president looks bad.
01:10:09Because when the economy tanks everyone in america looks at the white house and says this is your fault.
01:10:14But at the same time, people may blame the republicans because they didn't do anything to prevent it in terms of people have the opinion that they're obstructionist.
01:10:23So I think both side here are politically liable if the economy tanks with this.
01:10:28>> Perry, people always say the president didn't reach out enough to capitol hill, to democrats and certainly republicans.
01:10:36In fact he did make calls on thursday to house speaker boehner, senate minority leader McCONNELL.
01:10:42Did those calls yeed anything?
01:10:43>> No.
01:10:44Those calls are purely about optics.
01:10:46The president was criticized earlier this time week by republicans he's not reaching out.
01:10:50He made these sort of perfunctory calls.
01:10:53The reality is there's a fundamental difference on positions here.
01:10:56The republicans do not want tax increases.
01:10:58President obama does.
01:11:01It doesn't matter how much prose tries to sweet talk them that's not the problem.
01:11:04It's the fundamental difference on issues.
01:11:06>> Okay.
01:11:07, nice you guys.
01:11:17Thanks so much.
01:11:17>>> The effects of sequester that could show up at dinnertime.
01:11:22I'm going to speak with congresswoman particular sha blackburn about what the gop can do to deal with cuts.
01:11:29>>> The windy city got about four inches of heavy snow, the most accumulation in the northern suburbs.
01:11:34Moving to kansas, the snow is way too much for the roof at this local business.
01:11:38The auto shop has been around for about 60 years.
01:11:42But it's still too soon to tell if that building is a complete loss.
01:11:45Although we did get our tapes mixed up there.
01:11:47I think that was about the rockies which are expected to get 6 to 9 inches of snow today from a storm that will move into the early m into the midwest by early next week.
01:11:59>>> And check out this dog that found itself stranded on ice floes there.
01:12:06The dog jumping from one ice fragment to another yesterday.
01:12:09This is all happening in lake michigan.
01:12:11A resident who sought dog put on a wetsuit, went out on a kayak to try to rescue the pooch.
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01:12:21It spent the night in animal control shelter.
01:12:24Is expected to be reunited with its owner sometime today.
01:12:27Talk about a lucky dog, right?
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01:15:59>>> the pentagon has grounded all 51 of its f 35 fighter planes after a routine inspection found a cracked engine blade.
01:16:07It is the most expensive war plane ever.
01:16:10The pentagon plans to buy 4500 of them for $10 billion.
01:16:17The f 35 is the subject of our quote of the week from a piece in "time" magazine.
01:16:23Former pentagon chief weapons tester tom kristi saying "there's always this sexual drive for a new airplane on the part of each service, " >>> it was reported this week the pentagon is now investigating the former six team member who admitted in an interview with esquire magazine he was the one who killed osama bin laden.
01:16:43The pentagon is looking into whether any classified information was leaked in the now controversial article.
01:16:48Joining me now, the man who interviewed the shooter, phil bronstein, executive chairman of the center for investigative reporting.
01:16:55Phil, welcome.
01:16:56Nice to see you.
01:16:57>> Thanks for having me.
01:16:58>> Let's get your reaction first of all the pentagon investigating the man you interviewed.
01:17:03Are you surprised by that?
01:17:04>> The pentagon has its job to do.
01:17:06I think it came up at a press briefing where a spokesman for the bg was asked what they're doing about it.
01:17:11I think what they said is they're reviewing it to see if there were any problems.
01:17:16In fact, the special operations command which oversees special operations including s.e.a.l.
01:17:22Team six has already said they don't really see much of a problem in there in term of classified information.
01:17:27And keep in mind, alex, there have been movies, there have been books, there have been other articles, there have been documentaries all about the raid.
01:17:36There's very little.
01:17:37It's passed into kind of american folklore at this point.
01:17:40There's really very little that's new.
01:17:42What's new in the esquire story was essentially this guy's perspective.
01:17:47>> Was he saying to you when you were doing the interview, did he say look, I can't talk about this because it's classified?
01:17:52Was he aware of that?
01:17:53Did he make that clear to you?
01:17:55>> Yeah.
01:17:56I mean it was an evolution.
01:17:58An evolution that took place over about a year and a quarter where he wanted to talk about it but he really wanted to talk about this larger issue of how these guys are treated once they leave the service.
01:18:09He left at 16 years, four shy of the 20 for retirement.
01:18:13So he got no pension, no health care for his family, and no protection.
01:18:18If his name comes out, which it very well might, he cowl be a serious target.
01:18:22>> Oh, yeah.
01:18:23Do you think the pentagon is putting this out there that they're at least looking into whether it's investigating or whatever looking into the esquire article for possible violations, do you think they're trying to punish him?
01:18:35>> Well, I think there is a kind of brotherhood about team six but I think all special forces.
01:18:42And I think that the ethos of it is you don't talk about what you do.
01:18:46The problem, of course, is then when you transition out into civilian life, not only do you have a whole host of problems that we've heard about, that veterans have in general, but you can't talk about what you've done.
01:18:57What do you put on a resume'?
01:18:59How do you get a job that's come commensurate with the skills you've learned, in his case 16 years as a navy s.e.a.l.
01:19:09>> It's a very exclusive club when you talk to this man.
01:19:12What can you tell me about him?
01:19:15>> He's got a great sense of humor.
01:19:17Something I think all s.e.a.l.
01:19:19Team six members have to have.
01:19:20They prank each other all the time.
01:19:22They're very funny.
01:19:23He's very focused.
01:19:24This applies to all of them.
01:19:26He's no different than his partners in s.e.a.l. team six.
01:19:29Any one of them by the way could have shot bin laden.
01:19:31He makes that clear.
01:19:33Just happened to be he was at that place at that moment in time.
01:19:36But they're very focused.
01:19:38They're very aggressive.
01:19:40They're very organized.
01:19:41They perform extraordinarily well under pressure.
01:19:43And the interesting thing is these are all skills that he has and they have that are translatable at pretty high levels into corporate america, for instance.
01:19:52SO WE'VE TALKED TO CEOs ON THE OUTSIDE, CEOs OF COMPANIES LIKE Twitter who are very interested in helping these guys make the transition.
01:20:00We're hoping that that happens.
01:20:01>> Yeah.
01:20:02Last week, phil, I spoke with brandon webb about your story.
01:20:06Let's take a listen to what he said.
01:20:11>> I personally think he had some type of motive behind why he would talk to esquire.
01:20:16I think the article puts t community in a real -- the way they framed it puts us in a real bad light.
01:20:22It comes off a bit as whining so to speak.
01:20:25>> What do you think about that comment?
01:20:26Is there any sort of ulterior motive?
01:20:31If so what would it be?
01:20:32>> The shooter in our story did not write a book.
01:20:34Others have written books and made a lot of money.
01:20:36He's not capitalized.
01:20:39His name has stayed out of the press.
01:20:41He's not been identified for now.
01:20:43Almost a couple weeks.
01:20:44So I think -- I understand the concerns.
01:20:46But I think it's clear that his motive is the greater good, trying to get this issue out in front of capitol hill and out in front of the private enterprise community to help these guys.
01:20:57And I think it's a shame, there's a lot of sniping back and forth.
01:21:00It's kind of the way it is.
01:21:01But what this story did, alex, s team six as human beings, not some jason bourn cartoon.
01:21:09I think ultimately that's a service to them.
01:21:11Because they are human beings.
01:21:13And they do have lives once they get out of the service.
01:21:17>> Did he talk about standing face-to-face with osama bin laden?
01:21:21>> He did.
01:21:22In some detail.
01:21:23I mean, you should read the story and get the full version.
01:21:26>> I have.
01:21:26I want you to share it, though, with the viewers.
01:21:29>> Okay.
01:21:32Basically in that moment he sort of rolled into the room after the point man who had been in front of him up to the third floor.
01:21:37Had tackled these two women.
01:21:39Very bravely.
01:21:39Because they thought they all had suicide vests on.
01:21:41The shooter rolled into the bedroom and literally a foot away was osama bin laden with his hands on his youngest wife amal's shoulders, either pushing her forward or being led by her.
01:21:53Remember it was pitch dark for all the residents.
01:21:56THE S.E.A.L.s OBVIOUSLY HAD Night vision goggles on.
01:21:59He said the first thing he noticed was how extraordinarily tall.
01:22:02He didn't expect him to be that tall.
01:22:05He had to aim his gun up.
01:22:08He noticed his hair was quite short.
01:22:10His beard was quite short.
01:22:10He looked a little confused.
01:22:12 did what they are trained to do.
01:22:14>> It took just a split second, right?
01:22:16It was over boom like that.
01:22:18>> Oh, like that.
01:22:19And of course these things if you're there, if you're the person, they seem to last forever.
01:22:24But the whole thing took seconds.
01:22:26Literally seconds.
01:22:26>> There were some real grave concern.
01:22:28Didn't he have that thought process.
01:22:30Now I'm into this mess, if you will.
01:22:32How am I going to get out when the chopper crashed inside the compound, right?
01:22:36They were worried that they were going to get there before the pakistani military might get there.
01:22:42>> Well, there have been all sorts of conversations before they went on the mission about what happens if the pakistani military and government grabs them and throws them in jail.
01:22:50There was a talk about joe biden perhaps coming negotiating their way out.
01:22:57He thought about stealing cars and driving to islamabad.
01:23:00Fortunately they didn't have to do that.
01:23:01There was the ongoing concern how do we make this mission worked.
01:23:05They're very focused on executing the mission.
01:23:08>> Yeah.
01:23:08I know that he's trying to get attention for veterans.
01:23:10And the issues that they have.
01:23:12He met with members of congress to talk about veterans' benefits.
01:23:16Do you have any confidence something will come of that?
01:23:19>> Well, you've just been talking about sequestration.
01:23:22Congress is not moving very fast on that stuff.
01:23:24But I will say they was there just as an observer, as a journalist for all these meetings on the hill.
01:23:31He met with a very high level and bipartisan group of senators and members of congress.
01:23:37And they all were quite moved by his circumstance and the circumstance of all these guys.
01:23:42And they were presented with some possibilities of things they can do that don't require legislation, don't require a lot of additional money.
01:23:49But some creativity in helping support these people who vice president biden said are the world's greatest warriors in the history of the world.
01:23:58>> Let's hope something comes of those discussions.
01:24:00Phil bronstein, you're welcome anytime.
01:24:05Thanks so much.
01:24:05>> Thanks, alex.
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01:27:34Is that taking the fun out of shopping?
01:27:37>> That's definitely one way to put it, looeks.
01:27:39A lot of -- national retail federation came out with a report saying consumers are definitely going to cut back on spending on discretionary items like going out to dinner more, shopping, spending money on items that they may not need like their big items that are furniture-wise.
01:28:02People making $30,000 are going to take a $50 hit per month to their paychecks.
01:28:07People making $100,000 will take a bigger impact.
01:28:12>> Tough on shopping.
01:28:12That's for sure.
01:28:13What about the happy campers or lack thereof at the gas pumps these days.
01:28:18>> The gas prices are definitely going up as we can see.
01:28:21They're at $3.70.
01:28:23Analysts are saying it's probably going to go up between 30 cents to 50 cents.
01:28:28But that's not going to impact -- it's not going to -- analysts are expecting that to kind of go on.
01:28:34This really has to do with the fact that these analysts are speculating that it has to do with middle east crisis.
01:28:42Possible natural disasters.
01:28:43And also refinery issues.
01:28:44What's happening, we can't discount what's happening in southern california right now.
01:28:48The prices in southern 20 a gallon.
01:28:55>> I hate hearing that.
01:28:55What about the oscar swag, speaking of southern california?
01:28:58It's a little lighter this year.
01:29:00>> Right.
01:29:00I guess if you can call $48,000 a little lighter.
01:29:03But compared to last year, $60,000 it is definitely lighter.
01:29:07What's happening, the reason why they're so expensive is because they keep adding in these trips to these oscar swag bags.
01:29:14But now this year it's hitting a five-year low.
01:29:17But some of the items that are included, this is some of my favorites.
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01:29:24Also these plates that are portion control.
01:29:26So if you don't win the oscar, you can definitely get a portion controlled plate as one of your conciliatory prices there, alex.
01:29:35>> Okay.
01:29:36If you say so.
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01:32:49>>> Welcome back to "weekends " as washington tries to avert another fiscal crisis people across the nation are bracing for the effects should the SEQUESTER KICK IN ON MARCH 1st.
01:32:59Just about every agency including the transportation department which oversees air traffic control will be impacted.
01:33:05Nbc's michelle franzen has more on what's in store if washington misses the sequester deadline.
01:33:11>> Reporter: Alex, like you said just about every federal agency could feel the brunt of the automatic cuts if washington can't reach a deal by friday.
01:33:18The defense department could take the biggest hit.
01:33:20They could see a cut of nearly $43 billion which will impact weapons purchases and base operations.
01:33:26Under the sequester we could see nearly 1 million layoffs, including 800,000 civilian defense department workers, 10,000 teachers and educators, and about 1,000 fbi and border patrol agents.
01:33:38But the sequester will touch on every life of americans in some ways that they don't even realize.
01:33:44For example, the basic commodity of meat.
01:33:47Consumers could face a shortage of meat as the agriculture department might be forced to furlough meat inspectors up to 15 days.
01:33:57In the country's national parks, a 5% budget cut could force the parks service to slash services, shorten visiting hours and even force them to close off some areas to visitors.
01:34:08As transportation secretary LaHOOD EXPLAINED AIR TRAVEL Could also come to a crawl.
01:34:12>> Travellers should expect delays.
01:34:16Flights to major cities like new york, chicago and san francisco and others, could experience delays of up to 90 minutes during peak hours because we have fewer controllers on staff.
01:34:29>> Reporter: Meantime in washington, president obama plans to speak with congress this weekend to avert another crisis.
01:34:35But both sides are ramping up the blame game.
01:34:38Listen to what the president said about the looming sequester during a press conference yesterday.
01:34:44>> I never think that anything's inevitable.
01:34:47We always have the opportunity to make the right decisions.
01:34:50My hope is is that we can see a different course taken by congress.
01:34:55This should be a no-brainer.
01:34:58>> Reporter: Solutions the president is confident will work.
01:35:00But unless he can cut a deal with congress, alex, we could see drastic changes kick in this time next week.
01:35:06>> All right, michelle zen, thank you for that.
01:35:11>> Joining me now with reaction republican congresswoman marcia blackburn.
01:35:18Representative blackburn, nice to have you back to the show.
01:35:24>> Good to be withalex.
01:35:25>> The president says this is a no-brainer and says the congress can stop the sequester at any time.
01:35:29How do you respond to that?
01:35:30>> Well, I find it all very interesting.
01:35:33Because we didn't have to be in this situation in the first place.
01:35:37If the senate would have taken up any of the bills we had last year that would have addressed this.
01:35:41And the house passed them.
01:35:43Some of them with bipartisan support, alex.
01:35:46Sent them to the senate.
01:35:47They chose not to take them up.
01:35:49WE HAVE chairman McKie on chairman of the armed services committee who has the legislation that would freeze federal salaries, freeze the bureaucracy salaries for a three-year period of time that would forestall the sequester on d.o.d. for a year.
01:36:05I mean, my goodness.
01:36:06There are solutions there.
01:36:07But let me tell you this.
01:36:08If you were out with me this morning talking to the national guard, meeting with constituents, going to a pancake breakfast, you would have heard people say, marcia, 2% discretionary cut?
01:36:21That's a good start.
01:36:23Let's make it 10%.
01:36:24And let's protect the military.
01:36:27Don't cut them.
01:36:28Get over here and make cuts into these federal agencies.
01:36:31Get rid of these redundant programs.
01:36:35Let's make certain that government is smarter and more efficient and use this as an opportunity.
01:36:41>> Now I'll ask you, were any of those of your constituents, i presume, with whom you were speaking, were these folks who might lose their job as a consequence of the sequester?
01:36:50>> I had a great e-mail from someone yesterday who has done some supply work for the military that is going to lose a contract and part of a contract.
01:37:00And they were saying, you all have got to get this federal spending under control.
01:37:07And when you talk about those that are involved with protecting our nation, they are incredibly concerned about what the debt is doing to our nation's security.
01:37:18You know, admiral mullen had said on july 6th of 2010, the greatest threat to our nation's security is our nation's debt.
01:37:27So they realize this is not going to be easy.
01:37:30Our small businesses know this isn't going to be easy.
01:37:32But they know discretionary spending has to be cut, entitlements have to be reformed and medicare and social security our trust funds have to be stabilized.
01:37:42And americans are up to the challenge on this.
01:37:45>> What about, though, the prospect of closing some of the tax loopholes?
01:37:50This is something that even mitt romney, your party's candidate, campaigned on.
01:37:54But now the president is making these suggestions, and all of a sudden it's a moot point, something that republicans don't want to do.
01:38:01Where is the problem here?
01:38:02Is it because the president's proposing it?
01:38:05>> No.
01:38:06And I would disagree with you just a little bit on that.
01:38:09We have long advocated for cleaning up the tax code and doing tax reform is one of the things on our to do list this year.
01:38:17And even when you look at some of these loan guarantee programs like the department of energy, my goodness, it is just waste, fraud and abuse run amuck.
01:38:27And now we're finding out that some of those that got some of these loans are being sold to china, interesting in china and other areas that may not wish us well that.
01:38:40Causes us concern also.
01:38:42So it's an opportunity there again to go clean up some of these loan guarantee programs, get rid of some of these redundancies.
01:38:50Do we really need 80 different economic development programs that are coming through the department of commerce?
01:38:57Do we need 100 economic development programs coming through transportation?
01:39:04Do we need 82 different teacher quality programs in the department of education?
01:39:09Those are the questions that should be asked.
01:39:12And our constituents are saying, hold firm.
01:39:18Stay with this.
01:39:19Let's get government on the track that it should be so that our future is sustainable.
01:39:23>> That may be.
01:39:25But if you look at some opinion polls here, this one from usa today, the majority of americans are supporting the white house's plans for all these major issues.
01:39:34Do you worry at all that the republican party is not on the right side of public opinion?
01:39:41>> I think that what people, many people, whether they support the president or us, what they're saying is washington doesn't have a revenue problem, it has a spending problem.
01:39:50And we want this issue addressed.
01:39:53We want government to be right sized.
01:39:55And if you look at some of the verbatims on that, they're not saying go spend more.
01:40:02What they're saying is, you need to be spending less.
01:40:06And don't waste our money.
01:40:08And we hear it repeatedly.
01:40:10I have to tell you, there are many of us that are in congress that served in state legislatures.
01:40:15And state legislatures have long used the process of going in and doing across the board cuts, providing flexibility, which is something we want to do with the department of defense, providing flexibility to departments so that when you make cuts you say, look, you got $1,000 last year.
01:40:34We're going to give you a 10% cut.
01:40:36You're going to have $900.
01:40:37You go find where you want to make those cuts.
01:40:40Now, that process works in right sizing government.
01:40:44And people want us to have a smart, responsive, affordable, efficient government.
01:40:51And we're going to have to use this as an opportunity to put us on that track.
01:40:57>> So does march 1st come and go with or without a deal?
01:41:01>> I would hope that march 1st comes with the president coming and working with us, alex.
01:41:07I have to tell you, it has been so deeply disappointing to me to see him go out and campaign rather than coming to the hill and saying, let's work through this together.
01:41:17Because it's for the good of the american people.
01:41:19>> Well, we do know that the president, though, has reached OUT TO mitch McConnell and john boehner and made calls to them.
01:41:26We will see if those calls yeed any information.
01:41:28>> Calls were made yesterday.
01:41:29A call was placed yesterday.
01:41:31It was the first time.
01:41:33But see, there again, through the fiscal cliff issues, we should have been working on this.
01:41:39He should have been working with us on an ongoing basis.
01:41:43>> Well, we're going to see what happens.
01:41:45>> Hopefully we'll see that happen.
01:41:46>> Now that congress is back in session on monday.
01:41:51Congresswoman marcia blackburn of tennessee.
01:41:54Thanks so much.
01:41:55>>> Hello, looeks.
01:41:56We'll go behind the washington brinksmanship over the impending sequester cuts with congressman charlie rangel and with outspoken former republican congressman steve latourret.
01:42:08Also further resistance to the white house efforts to curb gun violence.
01:42:12There's a nation-wide protest under way now.
01:42:15We'll bring that to you live.
01:42:17All that and the first ladies new moves over the course of the next hour.
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01:45:31>>> In crisis again?
01:45:33With friends like these and best week worst week.
01:45:36Let's bring in the big three panel.
01:45:40Molly ball, susan delpersio.
01:45:46And founder of spike the water cooler.
01:45:48Welcome, ladies, nice to see you all.
01:45:50Susan I'll begin with you.
01:45:52This new usa today poll shows 49% of americans would blame congressional republicans for not reaching a deal.
01:45:5831% Would blame president obama.
01:45:59Is that an indication to you that republicans need to change tactics?
01:46:04>> What it's an indication of is that washington needs to change tactics.
01:46:07Both republicans and democrats and the president signed on to sequestration.
01:46:11It was a big mistake.
01:46:13We said oh, it would never get that far.
01:46:16Well, it did and it was self-inflicted.
01:46:18All of them need to step up, take responsibility.
01:46:20For the life of me, I don't know why they're not trying to get a bigger deal.
01:46:24It would be to both side's benefits to get this off the table for two years.
01:46:28>> Marjorie, look at the "wall street journal" in which peggy noonan writes "the president and his people overestimate his position in this 50-50 country.
01:46:36The president looks strong now, but governing by freakout has too many costs.
01:46:42Again he's overplaying his " is she right?
01:46:45>> Well, I think again this is a congressional issue.
01:46:47I think the president has some push here.
01:46:49But this is something that was inherently built by congress and needs to be solved by congress.
01:46:53However, I will say favorability ratings, you're right, they can be fickle and they can change.
01:46:58I think losing on this issue, republicans and democrats both already looking to who can we blame if this doesn't work.
01:47:03That is not the right slugs right now.
01:47:05We need to figure out how do we make it work.
01:47:08I think largely the american people don't quite understand that the impact it's going to have on them as we talked about LaHOOD, SHUTTING DOWN Controllers, delays in flights.
01:47:19There are things that will impact each one of us that we don't quite understand.
01:47:22Though cutting spending all americans want.
01:47:24>> Shutting down flights, delaying, I get worried about the security of those flights, too.
01:47:29Air traffic controllers.
01:47:30Everybody is worried about that.
01:47:31Molly as we look at the SEQUESTER DEADLINE MARCH 1st, Friday, then there's this continuing resolution with all the spending authority for the government running out in late march.
01:47:38I THINK IT'S THE 27th.
01:47:40Then let's look ahead to summer.
01:47:41The debt ceiling.
01:47:43How does one play against the other here?
01:47:46>> Well, like you say, it's just this continuing series of deadlines.
01:47:50We've seen what a way washington has with deadlines.
01:47:52Either they blow through them because they don't take them seriously or they go right up until the last minute.
01:47:57And I think especially with this being the -- it is exhausting.
01:48:01And I think people are worn out, too.
01:48:03They feel like -- I think part of the reason that people aren't taking these warnings very seriously is they feel like congress and the president have been sort of crying wolf for a year and a half now since the first debt ceiling fight.
01:48:15And they're just tired of being told that the sky is falling when it never actually does.
01:48:20The government never actually shuts down.
01:48:21The stock market doesn't tank.
01:48:23So they'll sort of believe it when they see it.
01:48:26>> Susan, let's go to our next topic with friends like these.
01:48:29WE HAVE SENATOR john McCain who told a crowd during a town hall in arizona this week specifically concerning immigration reform.
01:48:38Here's some of that.
01:48:40>> Cut off their welfare, their stuff and they'll go back.
01:48:46[ Applause ] >> you're a senator with the federal government.
01:48:48And you're doing nothing about it.
01:48:50You said build the dang fence.
01:48:54Where's the fence?
01:48:55>> On the list that I showed you.
01:48:58>> It's not a fence.
01:48:59>> It's not a fence.
01:49:00It's a banana.
01:49:02We put up a banana with about $600 million worth of appropriations.
01:49:06>> The gop is supposed to be shifting on immigration.
01:49:08Can republicans really make progress on the issue when you've got one of the main senators on this issue being attacked by his own constituents?
01:49:16>> And this is an issue that definitely has a big impact on the republican party.
01:49:20But what we need to do is see elected officials, republicans and democrats, step up and not worry about being primaried and do what's right.
01:49:28The fact is that we need to have a path for citizenship.
01:49:32We need to see a reform in immigration.
01:49:34We should simply do it without worrying about extreme -- primary from the extreme right or the democrats also are very concerned in looking at 2014 that they may be facing tough races in their own states.